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September 28, 2007

Why are so few Canadian left-wing blogs popular?

Posted by mason at 03:15 PM ET

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If you've ever been interested in reading Canadian political blogs but have no idea where to start, Paulitics compiled a list last month of some of the most popular political blogs in the country. It's not even close to an authoritative or scientific ranking, but it does give a sense of some of the better-read online writing on politics.

What I don't get is why so many on the list lean to the right, or at least fail to identify as progressive, small-l liberal or lefty in any way. How are left-wing blogs getting it wrong? Or perhaps more aptly, how are conservative blogs finding large audiences? Is this a comment on the reach of the left in general?

Just wondering.

IMAGE: INCREDIBLY, THIS RIGHT-WING BLOG IS VERY POPULAR

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Reader comments:

The left has newspapers, the right has blogs.

With the MSM spouting the progressive line, it is not surprising that few care what progressive blogs have to say.

For the most part, the MSM has ignored the huge appetite for news from a conservative perspective. It is a largely uptapped market here in Canada, and blogs like SDA are tapping it, with considerable success.

Posted by: Steve at September 28, 2007 04:58 PM

I beg to differ. The right has newspapers. Anything owned by CanWest has a bit of a rightward slant and the National Post was explicitly designed to be right-wing from the get-go. And yet of course they're not right-wing enough for some people -- just look at what happens when one of them, after years of questioning, finally caves in and agrees that global warming is real.

If anything unites the right-wing Canadian blogs that I've seen -- lacking a central, Karl Rovian source of talking points -- is their certitude. I admire their willingness to question the mainstream views on things, but even more than some lefty blogs, they seem to ascribe everything they dislike to a shadowy cabal trying to run their lives -- we on the other hand can point fingers at people with money trying to distort the political process for profit.

The lefty blogosphere is split between several different messages -- human rights, labour, the environment, politics, feminism; i think some bloggers would prefer to be classified under a more specific category such as these than "lefty" per se.

That said, I'm constantly surprised as to why there isn't a Daily Kos-type blog / movement to get people involved in their local riding associations, and to nominate candidates that pay closer attention to the above interests.

Posted by: aj at September 28, 2007 05:44 PM

AJ, not everyone lives in Toronto, or even reads newspapers.

The National Post, despite its name, is not widely available outside of major urban centres. Its news coverage, however, is pretty balanced, though its editorial pages, which carry a wide range of opinions, do lean right.

Still, the Post is pretty well the exception. You'd have to sit pretty far left to argue CanWest papers have a rightward slant. The Star bleeds Liberal red. And the Globe...let's just say it ain't what it used to be.

Television in Canada is an embarrassment. The CBC is so unabashedly left it is nauseating. Even CTV seems unable to shake off its liberal blinders.

Right-wing blogs are successful here because they fill a glaring gap in political commentary in this country. The certitude you detect is likely more a reflection of your ideological assumptions being challenged than anything else. There is no less certitude on the left.

The greatest threat to shadowy cabals is a little light. That is one of the reasons why right-wing blogs are so much fun. When Steve Janke or Kate McMillan shine the light on the shibboleths of the left, you can usually see the cockroaches scurry for cover. In contrast, the left has shone an awful lot of light on Harper's "hidden agenda" to no avail.

And you say the right ascribes everything they dislike to shadowy cabals? Now that's funny.

Posted by: Steve at September 28, 2007 10:09 PM

I'd say the lack of need for lefty blogs is that both the audience and the potential writers find what they need in the various local alt newsweeklies, and/or campus papers (much of that content being available online).

Right wingers don't have that reliable alternative voice, except for blogs.

Posted by: Eric Grant at September 29, 2007 10:15 AM

Steve, I guess I'm a bit slow. You're going to have to provide some evidence for this left-wing newspaper bias you mention.

For example, I see daily newspapers with entire business sections, but no labour beat; pages devoted to consumer items (cars, fashion), but no poverty beat; daily attention paid to advocates of tax cuts; but scant mention of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. And this is just for starters.

Where's the left-wing bias?

Posted by: mason at September 29, 2007 05:20 PM

The left may be split between different messages but overall these individual messages are what are presented as the standard.
Any newspaper advocated right to work legislation?
How about large tax cuts?
Which paper advocates privatising healthcare?
Reducing immigration?
Ending special treatment for minorities?
Advocates against same sex marriage?

National Post indeed was created for an audience on the right. Canwest bought it and has moved to the center.

Looking at the US, 50% of the population voted for Bush. Does CBS,NBC, ABC or CNN ever say anything pro Bush?

The Canadian newspapers serve up pablum that less and less consumers want. Same with the Canadian TV networks. Ratings down, circulation down.

The left hate it, but how come FOX news has been such an incredible success? FOX beats other cable news every single hour of every single day. Every one. I would say there was a large untapped market. If there was a Canadian version of FOX, not the american rebroadcast, what would the result be?

Posted by: Jay at September 30, 2007 03:52 AM

visa vi the old arguement that any of the Canadian media is "right". Why is it that the media allows the left (Liberals) to define the political spectrum in Canada?

The Liberals since Truduea have continued to move ever leftward. Yet a result of that movement is that the Conservatives, who ideologically have remained more static ( and have actually drifted somewhat left over the same time period) get called "hard right"?? Shouldn't the Liberals be called " hard left"?

Compare Canada to Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and the US, countries with a shared birthright. Canada as a result of almost 40 years of Liberal rule (with a short stint of Red Tory rule) is more left than all of them, and "da traditional Canadian values" as M. Chretien would say, would place Liberals on the far left of the political spectrum in any of them.

(and note that the only Canadian parliament that has ever upheld the definition of marriage as between on man and on woman was a Liberal MAJORITY in June of 1999. Cant remember anyone calling Chretien and his Libs a bunch of right wing knuckle draggers)

If that is the case then I would ask what yardstick the national media uses that allows them to paint the Liberals as somehow centrist and the Conservatives as neo con or far right? Soft left would be a more accurate description.

Posted by: ward at September 30, 2007 03:55 AM

My guess would be that what you refer to as "right wing blogs" are popular because they reflect the free enterprise individualist values of most people on the internet. I personally consider myself a libertarian and read smalldeadanimals every day.

The whole left/right dichotomy is an artificial simplification of politics and has been obsolete for decades but the MSM can't concieve of anything lying outside of this line. If I have to dichotomize, I look at people in terms of how they fit on a spectrum of respect for individual rights and personal responsibility vs expectation of the state to manage peoples lives for them. As far as I'm concerned the state has but one role and that is to defend the country from external attack and to enforce a very minimal set of laws within the country. Anything else is none of the states business. Those who describe themselves as "progressive" generally seem to be the most in favor of statist interventions which is why I gravitate to individualist blogs.

Posted by: loki at September 30, 2007 05:14 AM

Mason re "requireing proof",

spend a few days reading conservative (or as loti puts it 'libertarian') leaning blogs. They are replete with example after example of:

media:

- omitting facts, context or entire stories that are viewed as important or noteworthy to conservatives,

- premising stories from a leftist perspective

- doing pieces that are implicitly or explicitly hostile to those who have a conservative point of view

- contain terminology that are inherently biased (note there are only "right wing" think tanks never "left wing" - one out of a million examples)

to name a few subcategories. And it's not just bitching and whining, but rather direct comparisons, analysis, and real discussions on this topic abound.

The proof is in the pudding.

Posted by: biff at September 30, 2007 08:07 AM

AJ; Take a look at circulation numbers for the big three newspapers (Star, Globe and Post) The Star outsells the Post by close to 10 to 1.

Posted by: bob at September 30, 2007 08:27 AM

In New Brunswick all of the MSM newspapers are owned by the Irvings. They have been traditional Liberal supporters and their papers have reflected this slant.

The weekly, bi-weekly and monthly papers have reflected conservative thought.

However, not too long ago, the Irvings bought up most of these conservative papers and now there is virtually no truly conservative newspaper voice in NB.

The web-based blogs are now our only conservative voice here. The NB market is just waiting to be served by conservative news reporting organizations.

Posted by: Russ at September 30, 2007 08:31 AM

Leaving aside newspaper circulation, there is one other reason why Canadian blogs lean toward the Conservative and away from the "progressive".

Taxes.

We Canadians know what it costs to pay for all those great ideas from the Left, most of them are being imposed on us every day. From Kyoto to gun control, you can't take a dump in this country without satisfying ten different regulations and paying three taxes/user fees/permits whatever.

Did I mention there is no constitutional right to own property in Canada? Self defense? Free speech? Go read the Charter of Rights, you won't find those listed. No, I'm not kidding. Or drunk. I wish.

The "free" medical care? Take my advice, don't get sick in Toronto. Crawl or swim all the way to Buffalo if you have to.

So yes, things tend toward the Conservative around here, as they do in most countries where The Man is socialism. There's something about living in a slow-motion armed robbery/train wreck that just sets people's teeth on edge.

Posted by: The Phantom at September 30, 2007 08:57 AM

Mason, your above story is an example in itself of the bias you claim you don't see; the tag for the picture of the SDA blog reads "INCREDIBLY, THIS RIGHT-WING BLOG IS VERY POPULAR". Why is it "incredible" that you find that SDA is popular? If SDA wasn't putting up content that people wanted to read, it WOULDN'T be popular (probably the biggest single reason that MSM readership/viewership is declining).

Posted by: SDC at September 30, 2007 09:21 AM

"Why are so few Canadian left-wing blogs popular?"

You sort of answered your own question when you insulted the intelligence of your readers by demanding "evidence" of a left wing bias in the Canadian media. I'd be less insulted had you punched me in the face - and you wonder why nobody likes you.

Posted by: Andrew at September 30, 2007 09:48 AM

The National Post, on the important social matters of our day such as homosexuality and prostitution, is not a conservative or right-wing paper.

Posted by: Richard Ball at September 30, 2007 09:55 AM

"INCREDIBLY, THIS RIGHT-WING BLOG IS VERY POPULAR."

The bias, scratch that, attitude starts right there. A sniveling, pompous, arrogant approach to anything that doesn't stink 'progressive.' Even progressive is a misused word in the lefty lexicon. Without a compass, it can't mean forward. Blindly progressing towards what, from where? Is the so-called 'progress' measured? Researched before embarked upon? Are consequences even considered?

Rather than left versus right, it's feelings versus rational thought. Take any front page article in the Star, et al and what passes for journalism is actually opinion, leftist feelings, contrary facts omitted, the truth mugged, opposing views leered at. The op/ed pages, on the other hand, are pure dogma and propoganda, that would've done Goebbels proud.

The Liberals through decades of their state controlled political machinery - the CRTC, CBC, Senate and bureaucratic appointments, etc - brainwashed generations and changed what was once dialogue into leftist monologue. Hence, leftist talking points are considered 'mainstream', as aj correctly pointed out.

Fortunately, the MSM continues on a torturous decline towards an inevitable and much deserved death. The future of news, of course, is the internet.

Posted by: irwin daisy at September 30, 2007 10:07 AM

One has only to look at Leftie blogs such as Kos or rabble babble to see why there isn't more lefty blogs.
They are hate filled, obscenity filled, rants with little or no redeeming qualities.

Just try and dare to post an opposing view and you are banned forthwith. The left believes in free speech only if you agree with them.

On a side note thanks to a link at a rightie blog (SDA) you have probably had the best numbers you will ever have. A thank you to Kate is in order.

Posted by: Largs at September 30, 2007 10:07 AM

"They are hate filled, obscenity filled, rants with little or no redeeming qualities."
Read this blog and you can see why(sorry about the 'c' word,ladies.)

http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/search?q=cunt

Posted by: Alistair Macfarlane at September 30, 2007 10:45 AM

Hmmmm...why are so many popular blogs identified as so-called right wing messaging?...well, perhaps its the tribal dogmatics of the so called progressive left which blinds them to the fact that many things they identify as abhorrent "right wing" attitudes are, in fact, mainstream deeply entrenched classic liberal ideals...that people who are individualist and unapologetically into rational self interest and individual freedom....and by extension ration national self interests....are actually voicing classic Liberal ideals.

Perhaps it is the condemning left who have drifted from this core beliefe system and now espouse radical self destructive dogmatics.

Perhaps the so called "progressive liberal left" has drifted away from the core elements of the classic progressivist liberalism of John Locke and John Stuart Mill( individual freedom and empowerment). Perhaps the new progressive left has drifted into the zealotry of anti capitalism, anti private property, group identity rights of statist collectivism.... they pursue politically correct evangelizing and witch hunts they denigrate the individual for his exploitive "insensitive selfishness" and praise the intrusive, collectivist state as the answer to all human ills. They support aristocratic kleptocrats because they resemble "collectivists" and preach collectivism while they steal national and individual wealth and freedoms...they support failed social experiments because these are deemed "progressive" regardless of the obvious disastrous effects.

So perhaps it is the "progressive liberal left" who have drifted away from mainstream Canadians and the rational/ethical self interest of classic liberalism.

Perhaps the average Canadian isn't politically literate enough to enunciate this and instinctively gravitates to philosophies which do not scold him for ethical self interest and personal freedoms or preach to him telling him he is "evil" for not embracing the self destructive altruism of the new deranged left. Perhaps it is the classic Liberal progressives who populate the the "New right" and nihilist statist collectivists who cloak themselves with the cleansing title of "liberal left".

Perhaps it is the left's shift to nihilist-inflected self destructive altruistic statist collectivism and away from individualist freedom and empowerment of classic liberalism, which has driven people into the right...perhaps the new right is now, in reality, centralist ground. Perhaps the condemning preachyness of leftist dogmatics has become a shrill denouncement of centralist values and soured the popularity of the media they dominate.

Milton Freidman said it best in summing up the Left's journey from the center to the extreme:

"the term liberalism came to be associated with a very different emphasis, particularly in economic policy. It came to be associated with a readiness to rely primarily on the state rather than on private voluntary arrangements to achieve objectives regarded as desirable. The catchwords became welfare and equality rather than freedom.The nineteenth century liberal regarded an extension of freedom as the most effective way to promote welfare and equality; the twentieth century liberal regards welfare and equality as either prerequisistes of or alternatives to freedom. In the name of welfare and equality, the twentieth-century liberal has come to favor a revival of the very policies of state intervention and paternalism against which classical liberalism fought. In the very act of turning the clock back to seventeenth-century mercantalism, he is fond of castigating true liberals as reactionary!"

But of course you will never read this in any highly edited narrowly partisan leftist blog....will you.

Posted by: WLMR at September 30, 2007 10:54 AM

...put it this way, if any station constantly shows Michael Moore and his Fahrenheit 911 has a distorted view of the world and what is happening.

Any station that is constantly caught with its pants /skirts down on false reporting is not worth watching.

Any station that slags Israel but yet supports the Palestinian cause is living in a fantasy world.

And finally, any station that is stationed in Toronto doesn't know what is happening outside of the 416 area code.

Posted by: tomax7 at September 30, 2007 11:04 AM

..."INCREDIBLY, THIS RIGHT-WING BLOG IS VERY POPULAR."

Even more incredibly, I never knew this rag mag existed till that incredible right-wing blog spoke of it.

May this magazine rest in piece (sorry for the Freudian slip)

Posted by: tomax77 at September 30, 2007 11:09 AM

Well I certainly AM progressive.
That's why I'm a card-carrying member of the Conservative Party of Canada.

I used to understand next to nothing about politics, Canadian, American, or international. Those were my N.D.P. days.

Posted by: Joe B. at September 30, 2007 11:25 AM

As many have said, and I utterly agree, it seems like the media been hijacked by voices that hate the West and our civilization and achievement. THey take every opportunity to deride it, and miss every opportunity to praise it.

Political correctness prevents the mainstream media from name the race or country of origion of violent criminals.

Political correctness deems Western Judeo Christian ideals that have evolved to their current state and provide the best example of equality and liberty in human history as somehow morally equivalent to Islamic ideas that arise from the 7th century.

The writers in the mainstream media have been indocrinated in journalism schools dominated by failed socialists and communists who are still bitter over the utter triumph of modern capitalism of their naive ideals.

I want ONE mainstream writer to say that:

-if we do not watch what kind of people and from where people come into here, we will irreversibly damage this country
-it is the RIGHT of a country to permit permanent entry only to those who will swear allegiance to it and its ideals foregoing those they previously held.
-our way of life is superior to that of Somali tribesmen
-Western ideas of female equality are NOT negotiable.
-tolerance towards gays, people of different religion, or no-religion is NOT negotiable
-religion has no explicit place in law

-multiculturalism is a failed policy, and one which will harm Canada in the new world we living in.

When I find the media voice that says all those things, I'll believe there is no bias.

Until then, LGF is a blog I visit daily.

Posted by: Larry at September 30, 2007 11:48 AM

I see Kate's regulars are swarming this place. So the Left's blogs are full of cuss-words? So they ban people who don't agree with them?

Kate banned me simply for reporting word-for-word at my own blogsite what some of her commenters said about Native people. The Right simply loves its little echo-chambers: dissent is not, to put it mildly, encouraged, although there are some honourable exceptions.

Allow me to point out (and I am not alone by any stretch of the imagination) that I have a quite decorous left-wing blog myself, with a decent readership, and that I encourage debate, even putting up conservative links on the side-bar.

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at September 30, 2007 12:08 PM

Kate McMillan has spawned a cottage industry of bitter, envious hate merchants ike Dr. Dawg who haven't had an original thought in 40 years and thus depend on her and her blog for sustenance.

We SDA readers actually sometimes have a pool to see which one of Kate's haters will write the first post at their own (ignored) blogs expressing inevitable "shock and outrage" over her latest milquetoast pronouncements.

Posted by: Belkin at September 30, 2007 12:45 PM

I visit Kate's site for some truth and reality. She did a recent poll to learn who her readers and commenters were. It came down heavily on smart well-educated professionals, in all walks including engineering, medial to trade-people, artisans and many musician types.

There were many who possessed multiple skill sets. Not many empty headed works in progress students or full time activists. There were more government employees than I would have guessed. I suspect that cannot reveal their views in their work place similar to teachers who are not collectivist, teachers union robots.

I have tried to participate in lefty blog strings, but found that I was banned for merely arguing a point that I disagreed with. No profanity, just vigorous argument. The Left does not want to discuss, they want to vilify, dictate, indoctrinate. Their fact are most often based on beliefs and feelings or that someone like Al Gore said it so it must be true.

The language on most Lefty blogs is unbelievably foul.

I have also noted that left wing protests are most likely to become violent and destructive, not so on the right.

When the right is vilified for promoting self-reliance, enterprise and profit, the left goes wild seemingly unable to relize that all the welfare and social programs they love so much is take from those profits in the form of taxation.

That symbiotic relationship between the producers of wealth and the takers of the government extorted tax based programs, escapes the left. The may be one of the most frustrating facts in the culture war.

Posted by: John West at September 30, 2007 12:47 PM

"How are left-wing blogs getting it wrong? Or perhaps more aptly, how are conservative blogs finding large audiences?"

Left and moderate blogs don't get it wrong any more than conservative blogs in Canada. Conservative blogs just have a large American support system in the blogging world, which gives them a clear advantage in readership if they talk about world politics.

"Is this a comment on the reach of the left in general?"
No, because the primary reason conservative blogs are so popular is because the writers know they are in the minority and use their Internet sites to spread messages the population rejects. Take a look at the Conservatives latest war on drugs announced the other day, it clearly goes against Canadians' opinion on how to handle something like recreational pot use, but they'll ignore reality and the will of the people simply because its what their minority thinks is best.

"IMAGE: INCREDIBLY, THIS RIGHT-WING BLOG IS VERY POPULAR"
Not incredible, just unfortunate. Kate is a gifted writer, sometimes by writing nothing but a '*'.

Posted by: Saskboy1 at September 30, 2007 12:57 PM

I beg to differ. The right has newspapers. Anything owned by CanWest has a bit of a rightward slant and the National Post was explicitly designed to be right-wing from the get-go. And yet of course they're not right-wing enough for some people -- .

LOL I'll believe that when the national post spends a week headlining the pitfalls of immigration, abortion, Diversity,...

Hell they fired Steyn and that says a lot about them not being right wing. The Aspers who own them have given the liberal party hundreds of thousands some years. They bought it to kill the right wing voice.

If I'm a lefty I could watch the $1,000,000,000 wasted every year at the CBC

Posted by: dinosaur at September 30, 2007 01:32 PM

also,... the rankings are erroneous he has wells at the top but Alexa is really ranking Macleans because if you go to the Steyn portion you get the same ranking. And if he is ranking Macleans why not rabble & freedominion?

Posted by: dinosaur at September 30, 2007 01:45 PM

I just love it when lefties use the word "progressive" to describe themselves. Yeah that's right, I don't vote Liberal/NDP so I must be "regressive", nothing but a stupid knuckle-dragging caveman. Nothing like personally insulting millions of Canadians just cause you don't agree with them.

Posted by: John Brown at September 30, 2007 01:45 PM

"Yeah that's right, I don't vote Liberal/NDP so I must be "regressive""

John B. it really has nothing to do with what you said. Right wing (conservatism) means obviously to conserve the system we have now, or to regress to a prior glory day. The NDP and Liberals are both capable of acting regressively.

Posted by: Saskboy1 at September 30, 2007 02:47 PM

"Conservative blogs just have a large American support system in the blogging world."

Feelings presented as fact.

"the primary reason conservative blogs are so popular is because the writers know they are in the minority."

That's why there's a Conservative government in Canada and Bush is in the process of serving his second term in the US. Once again, feelings presented as fact.

"IMAGE: INCREDIBLY, THIS RIGHT-WING BLOG IS VERY POPULAR"
Not incredible, just unfortunate."

Unfortunate in the way that democracy, freedom of speech, individualism and capitalism are unfortunate for socialists, I'd imagine.

The above comments represent exactly why the left cannot crack the internet - where dialogue and debate thrive, facts are separated from feelings and intelligence is tested.

Posted by: irwin daisy at September 30, 2007 03:55 PM

"Why are so few Canadian left-wing blogs popular?"

After those comments : Why are there ANY?


Posted by: richfisher at September 30, 2007 04:58 PM

Bye bye, TM. Take fruit-fly boy with you when you leave

Posted by: jlc at September 30, 2007 05:24 PM

Hmmm. It seems to me that the left/progressives have been left behind in the dust. They are still clinging to outdated, uninformed, erroneous thought patterns and just haven't kept up with the times. Their notion of what the "right" is all about is old, old, old.

Another reason the right wing bloggers are so popular is that the left leaning MSM has shut them out. How many times have we heard lefties go ballistic and start spouting all sorts of stereotypical screeds about the right? It never occurs to them to actually explore the ideas advanced by the right, but then why should they. The are so convinced of their own supremacy and superior morality that new ideas and new information is anathema.

Posted by: Louise at September 30, 2007 05:35 PM

Okay, I think it's clear there are a number of passionate conservatives in the blogosphere. Thank your for your comments, many of them thoughtful and enlightening.

I think, however, that we're speaking different languages. For instance, in terms of party politics: the NDP is left (though often misguided and poorly run), the Liberal party is the centre-right establishment party (friends with big business, though also somewhat progressive on social issues) and the Conservatives represent the right. To call the Liberals left-leaning is failing to understand what values the left holds.

I wish this comment thread hadn't descended into a name-calling session (the photo caption was a playful jab, irwin daisy) because there could be a fruitful discussion here.

To Larry I say this: Your ideas about immigration are not invalid, but when markets are wide open and capital flows freely, people should have the right to open borders as well.

As for media ideology, you can do content analyses (and in fact I have) showing how the right gets the opportunity to frame the majority of issues that show up in newspapers and on TV. Corporate executives are considered authorities on tax policy, for example, despite their vested interests in the matter. Media companies are among the largest businesses -- why shouldn't their products reflect an alliance with free-market philosophies?

Posted by: mason at September 30, 2007 05:52 PM

Interesting enough, the writer answered his/her own question when saying that it's "incredible" that Small Dead Animals is so popular and most days THE most popular blog in Canada.

As a few others have pointed out blogs are largely it for having conservative points of view because the liberal-left dominates and almost completely controls the mainstream media in Canada. The U.S. is pretty much the same with the exception of Fox News and Talk Radio. It's little wonder conservatives dominate blogs as a way of getting their voices heard. The authour of This Magazine can be forgiven as they are not alone in being baffled by this phenomenon given that that conservative voices are so rarely heard in MSM.

Posted by: Spinks at September 30, 2007 06:00 PM

Okay, I think it's clear there are a number of passionate conservatives in the blogosphere.

It's also clear that Kate has, well, a bit of a cult following. : )

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at September 30, 2007 06:11 PM

...so has this rag mag happy now its 15 minutes of fame is over, seeing most were SDA readers posting in here.

So Kate is a cult now eh Doc? Well what does that make you? She's got a nicer umm, disposition, than you.

;-)

Posted by: tomax7 at September 30, 2007 06:23 PM

Yep, scary isn't it and SDA kicks your a** without even taking a government handout.

Bwahhha!

Posted by: DDT at September 30, 2007 06:51 PM

As I said...:)

Posted by: Dr.Dawg at September 30, 2007 07:38 PM

""the primary reason conservative blogs are so popular is because the writers know they are in the minority [and have nothing to lose by being outlandish]."

That's why there's a Conservative government in Canada and Bush is in the process of serving his second term in the US. Once again, feelings presented as fact."

Irwin, you may "feel" that Bush and Harper have majority support, but the fact is neither of them do. The only reason that Bush has control of the government is due to election fraud and Harper because of FPTP elections.

Do you deny that Kate's blog is popular in part to the entertainment value of a large cult following? Most interactive websites I'm aware of thrive when there are enough commenters to keep conversations going at nearly any time of the day, regardless of the politics discussed.

Posted by: Saskboy at September 30, 2007 07:55 PM

Frankly, I read very few "leftie" blogs because they just aren't very interesting. Neither the posts, nor the comments.

Posted by: djb at September 30, 2007 08:46 PM

saskboy,does your mother have to dress you? Ever tried clicking on '*'? Also I wonder if the Dems had won would they still say that the US vote was fraudulent?The Florida vote was not nearly as fraudulent as it was in some of the Demacrat states.The dems couldnt understand how they lost with the fraudulent votes that they knew had been cast for the democratic party.

Posted by: spike 1 at September 30, 2007 09:01 PM

Mason: For instance, in terms of party politics: the NDP is left (though often misguided and poorly run), the Liberal party is the centre-right establishment party (friends with big business, though also somewhat progressive on social issues) and the Conservatives represent the right. To call the Liberals left-leaning is failing to understand what values the left holds.
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You've got it wrong. The NDP is the extreme left (as extreme as Canada allows), the Liberals are centre left, but they've been badly tainted by those bedfellows already mentioned, upon who they rely too heavily. The Conservatives are now the mainstream. I think you would be very surprised to find out what we really think on most issues. The difference between us and the Liberals is we've kept up with times. The Liberals are stuck in the past and have lost sight of the path. They are wandering around aimlessly. Poor things.

So many in the Liberal MSM have such ridiculous stereotypes of what Conservatives believe it's no wonder they have lost a huge part of their audience.

Posted by: Louise at September 30, 2007 09:20 PM

Hello:

I get THIS Magazine at the library, and I read Small Dead Animals too. The thing is, you can usually tell what THIS Magazine will say about a topic before you even read it...those that call themselves "progressive" have a pretty clear idea of what is correct about environmentalism, global warming, government, business, taxation, social programs, etc., etc., etc. But those Blogs of which we speak are not so predictable...while you do get some consilience of views, you do get surprises (positions you don't expect to see argued). Thus they are more intellectually engaging. I might add that if you find it "incredible" that they are so popular, you might re-examine your own biases a little.

Posted by: Visitor at September 30, 2007 09:49 PM

Visitor, I tend to have no trouble predicting the opinions from SDA.

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Spike, "saskboy,does your mother have to dress you? Ever tried clicking on '*'? Also I wonder if the Dems had won would they still say that the US vote was fraudulent?"

She dresses me as often as she makes my bed. How does that pertain to the discussion? And yes I click the '*' now and then. And I hope that if the Dems had won under fraudulent voting that they'd hold a new election, but apparently the USA isn't as democratic as even Ukraine.

Posted by: Saskboy at September 30, 2007 10:13 PM

You know you're on a strange site when the liebrals are described as a right wing party. Leftist ideas such as socialism have been tried and proved miserable failures since socialism scales very poorly. A socialist country is analagous to trying to use a bubble sort algorithm to order a set of a several million values. Free markets and networks of autonomous agents scale very well. This is obvious to most people who go with what works.

People who are online tend to be more libertarian and there is no mystery why "right wing" blogs get far more traffic. A large number of people on SDA refer to themselves as libertarians or classical liberals along with even more who refer to themselves as conservatives. I've never figured out why those who describe themselves as conservatives are much more tolerant of libertarian ideas than those who describe themselves as left wing. I suspect that libertarians believing strongly in personal responsibility might have something to do with it.

I let conservative politicians know what I think of stupid ideas and I've let PMSH know what I think of his assinine plan to ban incandescent light bulbs, his total failure to get rid of the gun registry and will let him know in equally blunt terms what I think of his war on some drugs. In BC cannabis is, for all practical purposes, legal and I doubt anything that happens in Ottawa will have much of an influence here.

Posted by: loki at September 30, 2007 10:56 PM

I write a weekly column for a local paper, and routinely take the left to task for its' various intellectual and ethical failings. I have made it perfectly clear that I invite debate, either in the letters-to-the-editor section, or readers are free to call me. Almost invariably, those on the left who take issue with my opinions, refuse to engage in debate. Sometimes they send a "gotcha" by e-mail, which I'll refute with an invitation to further discussion. Those ones never try to go rounds with me. Those who phone me and express their disagreement have to follow a simple rule- keep it civil. They never do, so I hang up on them. Only those who choose to keep our opposed views civil and friendly will stay on the line, and they are usually fellow travellers who merely disagree on the one point in question. True lefties will not debate. I even found this time and again with the left. They usually devolve into anger and name calling rather quickly. Lefty blogs and discussion boards are pretty much the same. I used to post regularly at the Canada.com discussion board, and the same thing happened. Get one up on a lefty, and he'd pack up his keyboard and go home. Kinda takes the fun out of civil debate, doesn't it? It also underpins the lack of intellectual rigor that permeates the political left.

Posted by: Bill Greenwood at October 1, 2007 12:41 AM

Left Wing blogs are so predictable, everyone keeps to the 'Party Line', you know they will be anti-American and pro-whoever is blowing up buses and subway trains that week. They cannot offend anyone unless he is a white male and preferably Christian.They misinterpret what some right-of-center commentators says, they do not like any debate as they are always right., but of course as Atwood says about'This Magazine' they are brave,!, because anytime now the Bush/Harper regime could shut them down.

Posted by: stephen Reeves at October 1, 2007 05:52 AM

Canadian left wingers hate men, hate Christians, hate white people, hate straight people, hate Americans, hate Albertans, hate conservatives, hate rural people, hate business people, and hate - with substantial vigor - pretty much anything that doesn't comply 100% with their agenda..

and then wonder why they aren't very popular.

Take a look in the mirror, Mason, you are a hideous individual and so are your comrades. We're on to your schtick: the left in Canada is more an anti-white male extortion racket than a set of political beliefs, OK? That's why the quality of political debate is so poor in this country: one side "debates" 100% in bad faith with a view to extorting more and more from white heterosexual males - and the data exists to prove it.

Posted by: Andrew at October 1, 2007 06:55 AM

Lots of great comments here.

My purely opinionated offering: There are three main reasons 'right-leaning' blogs get read more than 'left-leaning' blogs.

1) Canadians tend to dance at the political center and are reticent to massive changes to the social or economic fabric of the nation, whether the potential shift is to the Left or Right. In this regard there is a measure of conservatism in the very heart of the majority in Canada.

2) What was once the political Center has started to shift to the Left. A good many blue liberals are realizing there is little true Center remaining, or perhaps that the Left has vacated the Center completely.

3) The big cahuna: the majority of the major media in Canada are Left-Center or completely out in Left field, e.g. CBC. There isn't a single major media entity in the land that can call itself conservative or truly right-leaning. There is an utter lack of a public conservative media voice that harkens to the public that some of the old ideas are worth keeping around for another day simply because they are good ideas. Blogs like SDA fill the void. Seriously, what position or philosophy is advocated on a lefty blog that isn't said in some way or form in The Star, G&M or on CBC?

Posted by: mark peters at October 1, 2007 09:35 AM

Leftist blogs and media are unpopular because there is nothing "progressive, Liberal" or tolerant in them.

I take a quick glance at this blog and I see it cluttered with the usual leftoid pseudo-intellectual dripping hubris and presumption.

A smarmy cliquishness and self righteousness infects modern Liberal-left bias which I find uncivil and patrician. Both are traits we do not want in leaders of a free responsive inclusive democracy.

I detest the very character of elitist, belligerent liberalism, why would I infect myself by reading blogs/media purveying the same presumptive incivility?

Posted by: Voltaire's bastard at October 1, 2007 09:41 AM

Canadian left wingers hate men, hate Christians, hate white people, hate straight people, hate Americans, hate Albertans, hate conservatives, hate rural people, hate business people, and hate - with substantial vigor - pretty much anything that doesn't comply 100% with their agenda.

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Aww, Andrew! How did you have my morning figured out so well? I spend most of my days figuring out who to hate next! Really, it's great for the skin. Also, I'm sure that this "data" that you speak of has about as much credibility as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Seriously, though, I have to commend right-wing bloggers for jumping on to blogs and online media with such vigour and success. It's not that the left-wing doesn't have good blogs (Daily Kos, etc.) but it's just that they got out of the gates a little bit late.

I also understand the right-wing resentment towards having their ideas (largely) ignored for a long time. You did have centre-left governments in Canada and the U.S. and I'll concede the media bias that way as well.

What I don't get is how the tone on the right hasn't changed much. This despite the fact that the right, for the most part, now leads intellectual discussion and has politically won out over the left. At least for now.

Posted by: Ron at October 1, 2007 09:50 AM

Take a look in the mirror, Mason, you are a hideous individual and so are your comrades. We're on to your schtick: the left in Canada is more an anti-white male extortion racket than a set of political beliefs, OK?

Andrew: How exactly are you raising the civility of this conversation? As a white male does this also make me self-loathing? How can your comments make any sense when white men are over-represented in pretty much every position of power in Western society?

A direct answer would be nice -- but so far is seems you and many of your "comrades" would rather shout me down than address my comments.

Bill Greewood: Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Posted by: mason at October 1, 2007 10:48 AM

" the left in Canada is more an anti-white male extortion racket than a set of political beliefs"

I can see the tin-hat wearing, woe-is-me-I-am-a-victim, lunatic right is out yet again.

How do you people live with yourselves? You are so pathetic. Do us all a favour, and just end it all. Yo can be a real, dead martyr for your perverted cause.

Posted by: Cyberfeud at October 1, 2007 11:30 AM

Go read 100 threads at rabble...

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/

Then call me in the morning...you will learn beyond a shadow of a doubt the right wing MSM in Canada is just as corrupt as the right wing Neo-Cons they serve.

Canada needs a left wing media real real bad!!! If they ever get one , you can say goodbye to NeoCon's for generations.

Posted by: Buddy K. at October 1, 2007 11:42 AM

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=002416

He's already gone to babble in an attempt to get people to come over here and agree with him.

This is a very amusing thread, thank you. I don't think he will ever agree that right-wing (or libertarian) blogs are so popular b/c:
a) the MSM is overwhelmingly left-wing
b) most Canadians believe in individualist, free-market ideals

Posted by: Elizabeth at October 1, 2007 11:51 AM

Oh yes, that left wing mainstream media, that wasn't at all gung ho for a contrived, illegal war from which the deaths of many thousands followed.

Dead: Saddam Hussein.

At Large: G.W. Bush and accomplices.

Posted by: skeptikool at October 1, 2007 12:48 PM

"the MSM is overwhelmingly left-wing"

The MSM, Main Stream Media, for you tin-foil-hat wearing, paranoid of shadows, right wing conspiracy fruitcakes, is the corporate media. And corporations are left wing? Yes. Yes, they are. Uh, huh.

The Aspers and the Paledeaus, and Bell Globemedia directors and shareholders are all attend the Socialist International meetings in downtown Toronto.

No wonder no one respects you fruity right wingers. You're all a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Cyberfeud at October 1, 2007 01:44 PM

Irwin, you may "feel" that Bush and Harper have majority support, but the fact is neither of them do. The only reason that Bush has control of the government is due to election fraud and Harper because of FPTP elections.

They are the governments of their respective countries, proving that Conservatives are hardly a minority as in the way you stated. "Election fraud," kinda like 911 was an inside job, I suppose. Once again, lefty's present feelings as facts. Which is a problem when confronted with rational thinkers. Which is one of the main reasons leftists cannot build an audience on the internet.

I wish this comment thread hadn't descended into a name-calling session (the photo caption was a playful jab, irwin daisy) because there could be a fruitful discussion here.

Well, that's hard to imagine coming from a leftist. The humour part that is. I doubt any reader, left or right, thought it 'playful.'

"How can your comments make any sense when white men are over-represented in pretty much every position of power in Western society?"

Let's apply this 'insight' (or attrocity) to any other part of the world. "How can your comments make any sense when Indian men are over-represented...in India?" Hmmm. "How can your comments make any sense when Muslim men are over-represented...in Saudi Arabia? Chinese in China. Etc.

Second point why leftist blogs suck:

"I can see the tin-hat wearing, woe-is-me-I-am-a-victim, lunatic right is out yet again."

Has the left every had an original thought? How about an original insult?

Third point why leftist blogs suck:

"How do you people live with yourselves? You are so pathetic. Do us all a favour, and just end it all. Yo can be a real, dead martyr for your perverted cause."

Never a rational argument, or rebutal. Only name calling, ad hominems, mixed metaphors, etc. In fact, what is this blithering person talking about?

Fourth point...

"Then call me in the morning...you will learn beyond a shadow of a doubt the right wing MSM in Canada is just as corrupt as the right wing Neo-Cons they serve.

Canada needs a left wing media real real bad!!! If they ever get one , you can say goodbye to NeoCon's for generations."

Remove all statistics and history, mix pure delusion with utopianism, let boil to homicidal intolerance. Remember, lots of screamers!!!! and CAPS TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW CLOSE TO THE EDGE YOU ARE!!!!! And don't let those NeoCons!!! con you out of continuing to use NEOCON!!! Even if the best before date has passed. And you're still not sure what it means.

Fifth reason...

"Dead: Saddam Hussein.

At Large: G.W. Bush and accomplices."

In a poll at Kos, 45% would rather have the Ahmadinejad as president of US. Take any leftist protest march and there's an assortment of totalitarian mass-murderers, presented as heros proudly worn on t-shirts. Did I say deluded? How about absolutely brain-dead? How about extremely dangerous to innocent civilians?

Sixth reason...

"The Aspers and the Paledeaus, and Bell Globemedia directors and shareholders are all attend the Socialist International meetings in downtown Toronto.

No wonder no one respects you fruity right wingers. You're all a bunch of idiots."

How about grammar? And did I say delusional? And ignorant?

But perhaps the biggest reason left wing blogs suck is that unlike the standard MSM monologue, in an internet dialogue, comments are put under a microscope and examined. Unfortunately for the left, most comments are found berift of logic and reason, let alone history or context, therefore the commentor has obviously been short changed on the grey matter. As proven with most of the quotes above.

All so predictable.

Posted by: irwin daisy at October 1, 2007 03:21 PM

Small-l liberal would actually be something good because that would indicate liberalism in the traditional sense (i.e., small government, no social engineering, etc. -- the exact opposite of what the Liberal Party is today).

Also, most "progressive bloggers" are progressive in name only because they just keep pushing for the same old status quo and/or want to make things worse, not better.

I also agree with one commenter who said that the left has papers, and the right uses blogs. True. The MSM are in the business of brainwashing the public into a certain kind of thinking that is actually detrimental to the well-being and future of this country.

Finally, those with common sense mostly end up in the centre or right-of-centre and make better writers than those on the left.

Posted by: Werner Patels at October 1, 2007 03:47 PM

At one point this weekend I was hopeful this thread of comments could result in some healthy debate. Not so, it appears. Many (though not all) of the claims made by conservatives here are without merit, or evidence, or logic. Unfortunately, some of the responses from lefties amount to nothing more than name-calling.

I hope we can all agree that neither side can be characterized by the comments of a few. It's a shame more enlightened viewpoints won't prevail.

Posted by: mason at October 1, 2007 04:02 PM

mason,

Your comments are some of the most inane. For example:

"I wish this comment thread hadn't descended into a name-calling session (the photo caption was a playful jab, irwin daisy) because there could be a fruitful discussion here."

and,

"How can your comments make any sense when white men are over-represented in pretty much every position of power in Western society?"

and now,

"Many (though not all) of the claims made by conservatives here are without merit, or evidence, or logic."

If you are to make a claim like this, don't you think you should support your theory?

But then, it is your blog, I suppose you can make unsubstantiated claims and state your feelings as much as you like. Which obviously answers your initial question.

Posted by: irwin daisy at October 1, 2007 04:44 PM

Any pretense that the MSM in Canada is right leaning is absolutely hilarious, and only possible place it would get any traction at all would be that den of grinning idiot bobble heads at rabble babble (or other such place that substitutes opinion for fact on a regular basis).

Would be nice if the MSM could be called centrist, but it's not. The only media that even approaches the centre is more often then not derided as being a neo-con far right paper...

Here's an idea for both sides. How about taking media, and sorting the facts found there in, and thus forming a proper arguement, as opposed to what all so frequently happens on far left (babble) and far right (FD). It would be interesting to see an actual discussion board that runs on the merits of facts presented as opposed to the rigid dogma both those sites subscribe too (you too are so alike, it's scary).

Posted by: Jeff T at October 1, 2007 04:56 PM

The MSM is generally very sick. The "prevailing view" is that we exist and must operate in a narrow set of circumstances; set by, and approved through, the idiots with right wing views.

The Globe, which I read beacuase it is a bit more "above the fray", runs editorials and polls on the surplus. Funding social progammes properly is simply not an option.

Anyone who believes we are not limited in our view by the Corporate Media is a fool.

Posted by: munroe at October 1, 2007 06:34 PM

Talking about corporations, are we?

Most Canadian corporations have race and gender quotas and actively discriminate against white heterosexual males. That is a reality that they brag about, OK? In fact, Microsoft recently dropped a UK parts supplier - for not having an affirmative action policy. Canadian banks put out some of the most corrosive anti-family literature this country has ever seen (can you see why?)

So you'll excuse me if I scoff at the notion that the corporate world is an enemy of the Canadian left. They are, in fact, your ally, and the enemy of conservatives.

Posted by: Andrew at October 1, 2007 07:42 PM

"They are the governments of their respective countries, proving that Conservatives are hardly a minority as in the way you stated. "Election fraud," kinda like 911 was an inside job, I suppose."

Irwin, whether you argue with me here, or at SDA, you're still wrong on both of those points.

Posted by: Saskboy at October 1, 2007 09:42 PM

Just seeing if I can get on board.

Posted by: Dave at October 1, 2007 09:59 PM

So you'll excuse me if I scoff at the notion that the corporate world is an enemy of the Canadian left. They are, in fact, your ally, and the enemy of conservatives.

This just gets better and better. So when the heads of major corporations get a closed-door audience with heads of state, I should be thankful?

When you see a white, homeless man, do you shed a little tear, or did the discriminated-against bum deserve it?

Honestly, that's as much sense as I can make of your arguments...

Posted by: mason at October 2, 2007 01:00 AM

Mason, honestly: never wrestle with a pig. You both just get all dirty and the pig likes it.

If attracting this crowd is what passes for popular, I'll give it a miss, thanks.

Posted by: lynda at October 2, 2007 01:26 AM

Hi. Thank you. Nice blog.

Yet you lie in your footer:

"...it is illegal for any portion of them to be copied or distributed without their expressed permission."

This is a total lie under fair dealing practices in Canada. You should be ashamed and embarrassed for making a meaningless, unenforceable threat.

Posted by: Christoph at October 2, 2007 01:56 AM

Christoph: Commies only want to steal from everyone else, but they never want to be victims themselves ...

Posted by: Werner Patels at October 2, 2007 03:31 AM

All in all, an interesting survey of opinions.

I'm kind of surprised at the plethora of "conservative" posters. One wouldn't think This Magazine an attractive site for free market/personal responsibility/libertarian types.

As well, few posts paraded the kind of G&M board solecisms that trigger grammarian angina attacks.

For what it's worth, whatever else can be said about them, right-wing blogs (not to mention a majority of right-wingers)are funnier. We don't have to be politically correct. So we can laugh at everything. And do.

Posted by: Robert Quinn at October 2, 2007 06:53 AM

You ask many, many questions, mason, and make few actual statements.

I'm flattered that you see me as the gatekeeper of knowledge but I've seen this debate tactic from the left many times - argument by attrition and blurting out random questions - so please get some new material. You're no Socrates and my name is not Glaucon, OK?

Generally when talking to conservatives you should avoid starting sentences with the word "So"; it is a total tipoff that you are putting words in someone's mouth and is viewed as a debate tactic not overly burdened with honour.

Posted by: Andrew at October 2, 2007 07:36 AM

"So you'll excuse me if I scoff at the notion that the corporate world is an enemy of the Canadian left. They are, in fact, your ally, and the enemy of conservatives."

Now, let's let that stand for eternity as being representative of the intellectual depths to which so-called "right wing thought" has sunk.

How very, very sad.

Posted by: Cyberfeud at October 2, 2007 09:15 AM

"Mason, honestly: never wrestle with a pig. You both just get all dirty and the pig likes it." (or something like that)

Said like a leftard girl. Perhaps what you meant to say is:

"Never get into an argument with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

But let's not allow paraphrasing to get in the way of true feelings.

Posted by: irwin daisy at October 2, 2007 11:29 AM

hey mason,

Think of it this way. It's a lot of work running an entire mainstream media, two federal political parties and most of the universities in North America. Your average soft-hearted, soft-headed lefty is just too damn tired to engage on blogs.

The knuckle-draggers on the other hand, don't actually DO anything for society, and so have tons of time to sit at their computers and complain about how high their taxes are.

Seriously dude, wondering about the popularity of a vast open air bazaar designed to allow any nutjob the opportunity to spout ugly opinions really does reveal a kind of stubborn innocence.

Blogs are free. That's pretty much all you need to know.

Posted by: john_d at October 2, 2007 04:00 PM

"Seriously dude, wondering about the popularity of a vast open air bazaar designed to allow any nutjob the opportunity to spout ugly opinions really does reveal a kind of stubborn innocence."


Good point. I'd like to build on it by proposing the formation of The Council Of Canadians For Soft, Fuzzy Opinions, or "COCFUZZ". We can appoint proper thinking progressive thinkers such as those found at the top of this page to enhance the blogsphere by building bridges to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

Another problem with the CanBlogoSphere is the well documented fact that it is a total sausage party, about 75-80% men (source: Braaten, 2005). Further complicating matters is that we all know that gender is a social construct and as such it is difficult to differentiate the positively-peniled "bad" men, who are basically rapists who haven't been arrested yet, and "good" men, meaning GLBQTLMNOP and the properly vaginalized who self-identify as men.

I have a modest proposal.

To build a safer, softer blogosphere we must identify the "bad" men, who only whine about taxes anyway, and protect society from them, particularly the visually impaired.

A "band" in the top left corner of a bad man's blog - a bright yellow band, perhaps with a star or some such attention grabbing design - would be most helpful in this regard.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Andrew at October 2, 2007 05:54 PM

I hate men (myself), I hate whites(myself), I hate straights(myself), I hate marriage, the MSM hates you, I hate you, poor little victimized you.


Posted by: neufeld at October 2, 2007 06:00 PM

You forgot to hate Christians; do you still get paid your nickel from the Soros fund?

Posted by: Andrew at October 2, 2007 06:47 PM

Lets make everything equal. Let the left have the internet and all the blogs that are there, and the right have the CTV, Global, CBC, RDS (The French Networks), The Globe And Mail, The Toronto Star, Macleans ....... do you get the picture?

Posted by: Victor at October 2, 2007 07:59 PM

Robert Quinn said:

"I'm kind of surprised at the plethora of "conservative" posters. One wouldn't think This Magazine an attractive site for free market/personal responsibility/libertarian types"

That's easily explained - Kate linked to it over at SDA, and Kate's Cult, as we call them on the progressive side of the blogosphere, came over to flood the comments section.

The one thing Kate has perfected is getting her readers to perfect the art of "freeping" something, be it a poll or a magazine comment section that they want to try to influence into everyone thinking their POV is the "majority" opinion, particularly if it denigrates the left, and this comment section is no different.

Posted by: Scott Tribe at October 3, 2007 12:59 AM

Yes, Victor, I get the picture. It sounds like you're saying many of the mechanisms of our civil society are being controlled by the ongoing majority of progressive, liberal thinkers in this country.

I'm suddenly terrified.

How come Mark Steyn has never revealed this truth to us on the pages of Maclean's? I guess months of being consistently wrong about the Black trial took his eye off the ball.

Posted by: john_d at October 3, 2007 09:57 AM

To Scott Tribe. Thanks for the heads up. I should have guessed. (I lied about being surprised by all the right-wing comments; in truth, I was stunned. I feel shame.) That said, I've engaged in my first case of "freeping," albeit unknowingly. It's not equivalent to discovering a new planet, but it's calorie-free.

Lest I mislead anyone, though, I endorse all of the conservative posts without exception. I find SDA and kindred blogs a refreshing change from the usual MSM slumgullion (sixth form word of the day) served up daily. And I take a back seat to no one when it comes to denigrating leftists. But if Scott has no objections, I might just check in to This Magazine's online site for viewing every now and again.

Posted by: Robert Quinn at October 3, 2007 10:01 AM

So how come you have the right to steal Kate's logo?

It says this at the bottom of YOUR screen,


Please note that all writers hold the copyright for their pieces and it is illegal for any portion of them to be copied or distributed without their expressed permission. So please don't steal.

LOL,....

Whats yours is ours, whats mine is mine, sounds like communism....


but apparently the USA isn't as democratic as even Ukraine.

because they don't let enough people with no ID vote like the dems want?

Why do they want people with no ID to vote? The basic tenet of democracy is one person one vote if I can vote 5 times without ID would that make you happy?

Do you sell used cars?

Posted by: dinosaur at October 3, 2007 10:33 AM

Hey Mason,

Maybe you want to change the copyright notice so it reflects everyone's fair dealing right to quote. Apparently, as it stands, the notice is proving that we are the vanguard of a secret communist plot to disenfranchise American republicans.

Or something.

What I'm learning is that right wing bloggers must be required to pass an exam on faulty generalizations (like this one) before they are allowed to log on.

So, we're still afraaid of the communists within, are we? How delightfully retro.

Posted by: john_d at October 3, 2007 11:42 AM

Scott Tribe said..."The one thing Kate has perfected is getting her readers to perfect the art of "freeping" something, be it a poll or a magazine comment section that they want to try to influence into everyone thinking their POV is the "majority" opinion, particularly if it denigrates the left, and this comment section is no different"...
Exactly !
Also people on the "left" are more apt to get out in the world and participate.Those on the right are more apt to sit around bitching and whining while doing nothing.The internet and blogs are a perfect fit for that mentality.
Extreme Right-wing attitudes are a minority view in Canada,so those people that hold these views are more likely to go on-line searching for like minded people/blogs.One only need read the comments on these blogs to see this,we all know someone,that thinks like the crowd over at SDA.
That said right-wing blog popularity is meaningless,outside of the blogsphere or the author's ego that is.
One need only look at elections and the political scene in Canada,(you know the real world)to see that most Canadians have little time for the right,the vast majority of Canadians(those that vote) lean to the center and center left.The other 1/2 don't even bother.It's quite obvious the right-wing is no where near as strong as some people seem to think.

Posted by: dirk at October 3, 2007 04:36 PM

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